Thorsten 41

Thorsten ‘junior, of Ordsall’ (Notts.), fl. 1066
Male
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Name

Thorsten
Thorsten 40
Thorsten 42

Summary

Thorsten 41 was a small landowner in north Nottinghamshire, one of four men who shared 4 bovates worth 28s.

Distribution map of property and lordships associated with this name in DB

List of property and lordships associated with this name in DB

Holder 1066

Shire Phil. ref. Vill DB Spelling Holder 1066 Lord 1066 Tenant-in-Chief 1086 1086 Subtenant Fiscal Value 1066 Value 1086 Value Conf. Show on Map
Nottinghamshire 9,19 Ordsall Turstinus Thorsten 'of Ordsall, junior' - Roger de Bully 2 men 0.13 0.35 0.30 D Map
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Profile

The Nottinghamshire Thorstens are difficult to distinguish with certainty, though the isolation of this group from other Thorstens and the small size of all five holdings make it clear that none of them held land outside the shire. All five estates passed after the Conquest to Roger de Bully, but that does not help with identification, since Roger’s fief in Nottinghamshire was geographical, not antecessorial, based on acquiring the ‘leftovers’ of all the smaller estates in the four wapentakes of Oswaldbeck, Bassetlaw, Thurgarton, and Lythe not assigned to other Normans (Fleming 1991: 148–9, 163).

There were evidently two Thorstens at Ordsall, where four men held 4 bovates as four manors TRE: Osweard, Thorsten, Ordric, and Thorsten. The two Thorstens have been distinguished here as ‘senior’ and ‘junior’ without implying that we know they were members of the same family. Conceivably, indeed, there was only one Thorsten at Ordsall, with two distinct manors.

Ordsall stands on the river Idle in north Nottinghamshire; Perlethorpe, assigned to Thorsten 43, is only 8 miles away and it is possible that one or other of the Ordsall Thorstens also held the land there, though the small size of the holdings tells against such an identification.

Bibliography


Fleming 1991: Robin Fleming, Kings and Lords in Conquest England (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1991)